The professor defended that denial is at the service of some strata of society, but stressed that science, by itself, seeks universality; watch full video editing
By Camila Alvarenga, from the Opera Mundi – In the program 20 MINUTES INTERVIEW This Friday (15/04), journalist Breno Altman interviewed UFRJ Institute of Mathematics professor and history of science specialist Tatiana Roque, who talked about denial, science and politics.
Regarding the scenario that developed during the covid-19 pandemic, around the world, of vaccine denial and the coronavirus itself at certain times, Roque said it was the result of a time when both science that politics are undergoing a re-evaluation.
“It’s about hesitation because legitimacy is lost if people don’t see the benefits of science and technology in their lives. Science has not delivered on what it promised to improve everyone’s life, technology is seen by many as causing people to lose their jobs. And the response of the scientists was to defend the truth of science, since it should not deserve the respect of the population just because it produces truth, this only reproduces an elitist thinking. Trust is built, we have to show that science contributes to a better life, ”he said.
Therefore, for the teacher, the current denial is not the same as it existed in the past and has never disappeared, it has simply gone dormant. He believes that the current phenomenon is the result of this era.
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“What is in crisis is the politics based on technical evidence. At the end of World War II, a science-based way of making decisions and influencing public policy was established. Thus an intermediate class of specialized professionals was created, whose production would influence the decision-making process, which is also important in some sectors, such as health, ”she said.
This, however, has become an even more serious problem with neoliberalism, which has fully incorporated this way of making decisions and carried it to other sectors, such as the economy, “as if political decision-making could be taken above. of models whose scientific nature is not rigorous, precisely emptying politics “.
Therefore, he concluded that, “when used by neoliberalism, science is and serves the right”, although this model has entered into crisis, according to the professor, since 2008, when it was seen that the choices were essentially political and not scientific.
This does not mean, however, that, used in another way, science is neutral, “but aspires to universality”.
“The goal is to enunciate universal truths. So, for example, the entry of popular classes into scientific work, as happened in PT governments when people entered universities, changes science for the better, makes it more universal, ”he added.
Science, politics and new challenges
Roque also reflected on the fact that science and politics are not antagonistic things, but must exist separately, finding points in common in specific moments and themes. She herself, as a teacher, was president of the UFRJ teachers union in 2015 and was involved in institutional policy.
“Political decisions, social issues can be helped by science, but science will not solve these problems. Science comes from consensus, politics from the order of conflict, clashes, antagonisms, class struggle ”, he defended.
The teacher also highlighted the importance of subjects considered minor sciences, or not even that, as in the case of the so-called human sciences. For her they are equally essential and, in some cases, even more relevant than the so-called “hard” sciences.
“For example, the climate crisis, which I see today as the great challenge for humanity and science. This also involves the humanities and the attempt to seek alternatives without leading to denial, as if the solution could be in technological interventions, diverting attention from real solutions, which is a radical change in the economy and the overcoming of capitalism. “, he highlighted.
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